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	<title>Comments on: Flat Roofing Materials &#8211; EPDM rubber, BUR, Tar &amp; Gravel &amp; Modified Bitumen</title>
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	<description>Flat and Metal roofing installations in Massachusetts, Rhode Island &#38; Connecticut</description>
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		<title>By: troy</title>
		<link>http://www.coolflatroof.com/flat-roofing-materials.php#comment-77070</link>
		<dc:creator>troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Apr 2013 18:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We just put on a flat roof new install put the tar paper down, stapled per avice. Now when we rolled on the tar coating the tar paper bubbled everywhere when dried. What&#039;s the answer to this problem or advice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We just put on a flat roof new install put the tar paper down, stapled per avice. Now when we rolled on the tar coating the tar paper bubbled everywhere when dried. What&#8217;s the answer to this problem or advice.</p>
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		<title>By: anton rappold</title>
		<link>http://www.coolflatroof.com/flat-roofing-materials.php#comment-18066</link>
		<dc:creator>anton rappold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 18:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[where can I find out about GAF rolled on roofing material -in four foot roles for flat roofs ? goes on top of 1/2 white aerospace material applied in sections. Home depot installed it but got conflicting info on its longevity ( 10 year warranty )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>where can I find out about GAF rolled on roofing material -in four foot roles for flat roofs ? goes on top of 1/2 white aerospace material applied in sections. Home depot installed it but got conflicting info on its longevity ( 10 year warranty )</p>
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		<title>By: Leo - roofer with a vision</title>
		<link>http://www.coolflatroof.com/flat-roofing-materials.php#comment-18042</link>
		<dc:creator>Leo - roofer with a vision</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 23:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Dean 

I have no idea why your coating has blisters, but my best guess is:

1) the roof was not cleaned properly before application of coating product - this causes delamination of coating from the rubber roof (substrate).

2) the coating thickness was insufficient (I believe it should be 30 mil minimum DRY thickness). 

3) Most contractors who install small coating jobs, do so infrequently, thus do not have much experience with it. This might not apply in TX, as your climate is much hotter than here in MA, so coatingins are more popular.

4) Ponding water will damage coatings - break them down, and make coating separate from the substrate. This does not apply to ALL coatings, but to most.

Additional fact is the actual coating material AND the application (installation). There could be so many additional reasons for the coating to go bad.

HEAT wave - I don&#039;t know if the heat was the factor in your coating going bad - in theory it shouldn&#039;t have, but I am not really familiar with your particular material. Keep in mind - there are over 50 coating products on the market (maybe over 100). They are all different, and it&#039;s impossible to know much about all of them.

I am right now dealing with a leaking roof that has a coating on it and coating is also blistering and bubbling, and in ponding areas is coming off the rubber. Additionally, the coating make it difficult to repair this roof, because the adhesive must be applied over coating - not directly to the rubber, and it does not hold up well.

Basically, from what I&#039;ve seen, and in MY PERSONAL OPINION, people should avoid using a coating on membrane roof (i think it&#039;s ok to use on metal roofs). Coatings will create more problems than they solve, as they make it very difficult to repair a roof, if there is a leak. Also most coatings are not water-proofing material, though they are advertised as such.   

Leo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dean </p>
<p>I have no idea why your coating has blisters, but my best guess is:</p>
<p>1) the roof was not cleaned properly before application of coating product &#8211; this causes delamination of coating from the rubber roof (substrate).</p>
<p>2) the coating thickness was insufficient (I believe it should be 30 mil minimum DRY thickness). </p>
<p>3) Most contractors who install small coating jobs, do so infrequently, thus do not have much experience with it. This might not apply in TX, as your climate is much hotter than here in MA, so coatingins are more popular.</p>
<p>4) Ponding water will damage coatings &#8211; break them down, and make coating separate from the substrate. This does not apply to ALL coatings, but to most.</p>
<p>Additional fact is the actual coating material AND the application (installation). There could be so many additional reasons for the coating to go bad.</p>
<p>HEAT wave &#8211; I don&#8217;t know if the heat was the factor in your coating going bad &#8211; in theory it shouldn&#8217;t have, but I am not really familiar with your particular material. Keep in mind &#8211; there are over 50 coating products on the market (maybe over 100). They are all different, and it&#8217;s impossible to know much about all of them.</p>
<p>I am right now dealing with a leaking roof that has a coating on it and coating is also blistering and bubbling, and in ponding areas is coming off the rubber. Additionally, the coating make it difficult to repair this roof, because the adhesive must be applied over coating &#8211; not directly to the rubber, and it does not hold up well.</p>
<p>Basically, from what I&#8217;ve seen, and in MY PERSONAL OPINION, people should avoid using a coating on membrane roof (i think it&#8217;s ok to use on metal roofs). Coatings will create more problems than they solve, as they make it very difficult to repair a roof, if there is a leak. Also most coatings are not water-proofing material, though they are advertised as such.   </p>
<p>Leo.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Simmons</title>
		<link>http://www.coolflatroof.com/flat-roofing-materials.php#comment-17745</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 19:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello, I live in Texas and I put elastomeric roof coating over a old 40 year old rubber roof and three years later after we had record heat here they call me about a leak and when I got there I saw bubbles or blisters in places all over the roof. What caused this? I used roof-guard 700]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, I live in Texas and I put elastomeric roof coating over a old 40 year old rubber roof and three years later after we had record heat here they call me about a leak and when I got there I saw bubbles or blisters in places all over the roof. What caused this? I used roof-guard 700</p>
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		<title>By: Leo - roofer with a vision</title>
		<link>http://www.coolflatroof.com/flat-roofing-materials.php#comment-16213</link>
		<dc:creator>Leo - roofer with a vision</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 21:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Bill,

The granules are only on the top, and when field seams are done, there is a 3-4&quot; strip on one side of Mod-Bit roll, that has no granules (for better field seams adhesion).

But when it comes to field flashing / detail work / termination at the wall, etc., that strip is usually not present, so granules are between the overlap. This is especially critical for skylight / chimney / curb flashings, as shown in this picture:

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.coolflatroof.com/pics/modified-bitumen-roof-curb-flashing.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;Modified bitumen flat roof curb flashing&quot; /&gt;

Therefore in real roof settings, the seam on a modified bitumen roof, often has granules in it, which reduces the longevity of such seam.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bill,</p>
<p>The granules are only on the top, and when field seams are done, there is a 3-4&#8243; strip on one side of Mod-Bit roll, that has no granules (for better field seams adhesion).</p>
<p>But when it comes to field flashing / detail work / termination at the wall, etc., that strip is usually not present, so granules are between the overlap. This is especially critical for skylight / chimney / curb flashings, as shown in this picture:</p>
<p><img src="http://www.coolflatroof.com/pics/modified-bitumen-roof-curb-flashing.jpg" alt="Modified bitumen flat roof curb flashing" /></p>
<p>Therefore in real roof settings, the seam on a modified bitumen roof, often has granules in it, which reduces the longevity of such seam.</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
		<link>http://www.coolflatroof.com/flat-roofing-materials.php#comment-16165</link>
		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 05:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leo,
  You say:
granular surface cap sheet. How do you expect to have proper adhesion / contact / bond between two sheets, when there are granules in between them.

I thought that a cap sheet only had granules on the
top surface.  You seem to say that it has granules
on the bottom?
thanks,
bill]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leo,<br />
  You say:<br />
granular surface cap sheet. How do you expect to have proper adhesion / contact / bond between two sheets, when there are granules in between them.</p>
<p>I thought that a cap sheet only had granules on the<br />
top surface.  You seem to say that it has granules<br />
on the bottom?<br />
thanks,<br />
bill</p>
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		<title>By: Leo - roofer with a vision</title>
		<link>http://www.coolflatroof.com/flat-roofing-materials.php#comment-15769</link>
		<dc:creator>Leo - roofer with a vision</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 16:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Properly installed shingles roof can last 30 years - but how often does it happen?

Also, there are many limitations to it. You need a positive slope to the roof, and proper drainage. 

I think built-up is definitely outdated - but also we are talking about a few types of flat roof at once - built-up can be tar + gravel roof or modified bitumen. These two are completely different animals. Mod. Bit. can be cold applied or torched, and I have issues with both methods, ans especially with the granular surface cap sheet. How do you expect to have proper adhesion / contact / bond between two sheets, when there are granules in between them. Yes it hold for some time, but not 30 years!

Coal tar pitch - man really? when was the last time you&#039;ve seen a kettle? I last saw one 7 years ago - so two dudes that looked like miners from W. Virginia  where doing magic tricks on a roof of a store. 3 month later, a new PVC roof went up on that roof... So much for hot tar roofing :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Properly installed shingles roof can last 30 years &#8211; but how often does it happen?</p>
<p>Also, there are many limitations to it. You need a positive slope to the roof, and proper drainage. </p>
<p>I think built-up is definitely outdated &#8211; but also we are talking about a few types of flat roof at once &#8211; built-up can be tar + gravel roof or modified bitumen. These two are completely different animals. Mod. Bit. can be cold applied or torched, and I have issues with both methods, ans especially with the granular surface cap sheet. How do you expect to have proper adhesion / contact / bond between two sheets, when there are granules in between them. Yes it hold for some time, but not 30 years!</p>
<p>Coal tar pitch &#8211; man really? when was the last time you&#8217;ve seen a kettle? I last saw one 7 years ago &#8211; so two dudes that looked like miners from W. Virginia  where doing magic tricks on a roof of a store. 3 month later, a new PVC roof went up on that roof&#8230; So much for hot tar roofing <img src='http://www.coolflatroof.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Leo - roofer with a vision</title>
		<link>http://www.coolflatroof.com/flat-roofing-materials.php#comment-15768</link>
		<dc:creator>Leo - roofer with a vision</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 16:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Properly installed shingles roof can last 30 years - but how often does it happen?

Also, there are many limitations to it. You need a positive slope to the roof, and proper drainage. 

I think built-up is definitely outdated - but also we are talking about a few types of flat roof at once - built-up can be tar + gravel roof or modified bitumen. These two are completely different animals. Mod. Bit. can be cold applied or torched, and I have issues with both methods, ans especially with the granular surface cap sheet. How do you expect to have proper adhesion / contact / bond between two sheets, when there are granules in between them. Yes it hold for some time, but not 30 years!

Coal tar pitch - man really? when was the last time you&#039;ve seen a kettle? I last saw one 7 years ago - so two dudes that looked like miners from W. Virginia  where doing magic tricks on a roof of a store. 3 month later, a new PVC roof went up on that roof... So much for hot tar roofing :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Properly installed shingles roof can last 30 years &#8211; but how often does it happen?</p>
<p>Also, there are many limitations to it. You need a positive slope to the roof, and proper drainage. </p>
<p>I think built-up is definitely outdated &#8211; but also we are talking about a few types of flat roof at once &#8211; built-up can be tar + gravel roof or modified bitumen. These two are completely different animals. Mod. Bit. can be cold applied or torched, and I have issues with both methods, ans especially with the granular surface cap sheet. How do you expect to have proper adhesion / contact / bond between two sheets, when there are granules in between them. Yes it hold for some time, but not 30 years!</p>
<p>Coal tar pitch &#8211; man really? when was the last time you&#8217;ve seen a kettle? I last saw one 7 years ago &#8211; so two dudes that looked like miners from W. Virginia  where doing magic tricks on a roof of a store. 3 month later, a new PVC roof went up on that roof&#8230; So much for hot tar roofing <img src='http://www.coolflatroof.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Henry Reilly</title>
		<link>http://www.coolflatroof.com/flat-roofing-materials.php#comment-15761</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 07:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A properly installed coal tar pitch built-up roof will easily last 30 years or more. It may be old technology but it is by no means outdated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A properly installed coal tar pitch built-up roof will easily last 30 years or more. It may be old technology but it is by no means outdated.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 18:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I live in the San Francisco area.  I have what they call an Eichler home with a slightly sloping roof. The slope is so marginal that that is just above code for shingles and I&#039;ve seen shingles on only one or two homes.  The original roofs were tar &amp; gravel but most contractors are using peel and stick or foam which is starting to gain popularity. 
    The weather here is a hot dry summer with a moderately cold wet winter.
    What&#039;s your recommendation for a roof in my situation?
    Thanks....John]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in the San Francisco area.  I have what they call an Eichler home with a slightly sloping roof. The slope is so marginal that that is just above code for shingles and I&#8217;ve seen shingles on only one or two homes.  The original roofs were tar &amp; gravel but most contractors are using peel and stick or foam which is starting to gain popularity.<br />
    The weather here is a hot dry summer with a moderately cold wet winter.<br />
    What&#8217;s your recommendation for a roof in my situation?<br />
    Thanks&#8230;.John</p>
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