On pg. 4 of IRS FORM 5695 it also says before that:

“any labor costs properly allocable to the onsite preparation, assembly, or original installation of the residential energy efficient property and for piping or wiring to interconnect such property to the home.”

BIPV/TIPV can be part of the roof or any part thereof. If you wish to circumvent damaging rack penetrations even if it were a potentially more expensive comprehensive system, you have no cap limitation and there exists no power output requirement. There is great latitude to invest what you want on your home regardless of expense.

Wouldn’t you have to have money to short a stock? ECD FAN doesnt have money because he has no job! Thats why he has all the time in the world to piss every one else off! He,he,he

Thanks for the followup. I read the form and you are correct this is what I have been looking for, but it is not as “clear” as you claim. Per the form:

“Qualified solar electric property costs. Qualified solar electric property costs are costs for property that uses solar energy to generate electricity for use in your home located in the United States. This includes costs relating to a solar panel or other property installed as a roof or a portion of a roof. The home does not have to be your main home.”

@ ECD: I have seen you all over the web trolling. Ok we get it, you hate PV systems and you think it is all one giant scam. There is possibly “zero watts” of connection between Solyndra going bankrupt, getting raided and the tax credits that I asked about. I have listened to your advise after doing some research about Unisolar & ECD and I now refuse to use their product on my home. The original poster is correct that almost every laminate here on the east cost is Unisolar so your market analysis of CA has zero bearing to the discussion.

It will be interesting to see if you are right about ECD going bankrupt in a year. If you are confident have you shorted their stock to profit off your insight?

Heres what the Florida Construction Industry Licencing Board had to say on August 12, 2011 about TIPV:

ALEJANDRO ARGUELLES – PETITION FOR DECLARATORY STATEMENT
Mr. Arguelles was not present but was represented by his nephew.
Mr. Biggins presented this case stating Alejandro Arguelles filed a petition for a declaratory statement on July 14, 2011. The petition was noticed in the Florida Administrative Weekly on August 5, 2011. Mr. Biggins noted that the petition requests interpretation on Section 489.105 (3)(o), Florida Statutes, and whether a licensed general contractor must be a certified or registered solar contractor or contract with a solar contractor in order to apply Tile Integrated Photovoltaics to roofing. Mr. Biggins asked the board to consider whether or not the petition meets the criteria for a declaratory statement, and to dismiss or answer as appropriate.
After discussion the board determined that the petitioner is a substantially affected party and that the petition had standing. After further discussion the board voted that the license categories all Division I contractors and Roofing contractors can install the product listed in paragraph 2 of the declaratory statement.

http://www.myfloridalicense.com/dbpr/pro/cilb/documents/cilb_minutes_0811.pdf

As you can see, the days of Chinese traditional c-Si solar panels on racks and leaky penetrations are nearing a close! He,he,he Homeowners will want more integrated systems because they just make sense!

Dan

You will have to forgive me for not introducing ECD FAN, he is the resident internet basher that fabricates lies and spews vitriol 24 hrs a day without the need for compensation. His real name is Robert V Bauer, self proclaimed “Polymath”. That means a “Mr. Know-it-all” for the rest of us mere mortals. You can read about his early departue from Unisolar here:

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/robert-bauer/8/124/768

You can read here what a Solar Engineer from Twin Creeks thinks about this anonymous coward:
Time to repeat this
John Foreman 02/28/10 5:24 PM ”

If you guys notice, ECD.Fan tries use arguments of Uni-Solar’s low power density (6%) and integration design mistakes, to apply this as is the “whole BIPV” industry / market is perpetually doomed… despite CIGS thin-films now reaching c-Si efficiencies and I bet if they had the same “economies of scale” applied to their industrial processes, would and will drop way below c-Si in terms of $/W. Even with the small amount of rare-earths used, no different than the rare-earths used in his favorite thin-films CdTe based from first solar, which had Walmart to help them scale.

Plus he always ignores that no one wants, hundreds of roof penetrations, heavy racks, heavy modules, weighing their roof down. Uni-Solar led the way with inventive form factors (1st generation), including their failed SHR-17 shingle product. Dow’s powerhouse shingles share little in common 1.) double the power density, 2.) far less wiring (their tabbed shingled interconnect and self-ground). 3.) uses the best CIGS cells from Global Solar at 13-15 efficiency depending upon if one speaks of aperture or cell efficiency. 4.) He ignores the labor and integration savings to be had by a winning BIPV product… whether it be nail-gun installable shingles, laminates with better adhesives for metal roofs and laminates.

If you notice also, anytime anyone posts any news release on PV thin films (now including CIGS, or any other technology)… he’ll be the first to come in and trumpet First Solar and CdTe in panels and big Silicon. He has a horse in the race, because if you do your research it’s been leaked he’s close to NY/Russian fund managers. Russians have a lot of poly-Si facilities, so it’s obvious his motives.

If you google “ECD.Fan Todor Mitev” you will find he is likely linked (or is) Todor Mitev of the Temujin Fund. Which means he has a horse in the race to use Uni-Solar’s woes to try and short any up and coming technology like CIGS at 11-15% efficiency and rising.

He is a fund manager, who does nothing but blog all day, so be VERY skeptical of his arguments for sure. He can post lots of numbers and always calls out people (attempting to squash their thoughts). Don’t buy into his vitriol.

FYI – I’m not a fund manager, just an engineer / scientist sick of seeing this guys ill-conceived posts all over the place that misguide the public in a direction he wants. In fact his blog-spot is now closed to the public and he’s been kicked off the ECD board on Yahoo (ENER). Probably by court order.

ECD FAN has a a dishonest agenda….

Dan

I never recieved an answer on this from Leo or Admin. Check out IRS FORM 5695 its very clear. If your new flat roof is done at the same time as your thin film installation, the 30% fed tax credit includes the roof because the new roofs acts as an anchor for the thin film. It also says that you can rely on a certified manufacturer statment that the roof qualifies and you need only keep it for your records. This is without cap limitation and is not limited to the solar footprint. Thats why it is called BIPV. BUILDING INTEGRATED PHOTOVOLTAICS.

Mr. Dan Arguelles is a well-known rip-off artist (just google for ripoff and Artezanos), so you should believe anything he says at your own risk. Plus, he has zero Watts of grid-connected rooftop PV systems installed (his proposed installations are illegal). A company called Solyndra (now bankrupt) also claimed to have received an IRS ruling regarding their “roof-integrated” PV system – but FBI recently raided the homes and offices of its management, so you should take that tax credit claim with a grain of salt as well. I suggest you hire a reputable tax attorney and ask her to give you an opinion in writing (or, even better, to help you obtain an IRS “ruling”) regarding your question. So when IRS comes after you, you know who to sue!

As a followup to Dan’s question above, I have been told by multiple sources that thin film solar laminate adhered to a new flat roof membrane installation (solar roof) allows for the roof and PV system to both be eligible for the 30% tax credit just like the metal.

1. Is this correct?
2. Is there written evidence for this? I have checked the DOE and IRS and I have found no documentation for this claim.

I sent you an email. Also please provide brief description of the product, and a website where more information can be found.