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	<title>Comments on: Industry gossip: Solar PV Roofing (BI-PV roof)  failures</title>
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		<title>By: Patrina Eiffert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrina Eiffert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BIPV CoolPly is a PVC or TPO solution that offers greater power density with crystalline laminates and modules as well as thin film technology. It is unfortunate that Open Energy and SIT effectively went out of business this year. However there are better products for commercial buildings that integrate photovoltaics into the building envelope while optimizing both the performance of the roof and the photovoltaics. 303-675-0200 Please call us at SolarFrameWorks to learn more about BIPV CoolPly for membrane roofs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BIPV CoolPly is a PVC or TPO solution that offers greater power density with crystalline laminates and modules as well as thin film technology. It is unfortunate that Open Energy and SIT effectively went out of business this year. However there are better products for commercial buildings that integrate photovoltaics into the building envelope while optimizing both the performance of the roof and the photovoltaics. 303-675-0200 Please call us at SolarFrameWorks to learn more about BIPV CoolPly for membrane roofs.</p>
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		<title>By: ECD Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ECD Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul and Leo:

The only PV material SIT have ever used, of course, was the Unisolar flexible PV material (also called PV laminates) ( see here: http://www.uni-solar.com/uploadedFiles/4212004.pdf ) which SIT then glued to membranes, and yes SIT has used membranes for TPO/FPO and PVC roofs ( 
http://www.solarintegrated.com/fileadmin/dateiablage/media/Solar_Integrated_Fact_Sheet.pdf ).

You may may find the recent disclosure about SIT&#039;s product problems interesting. The 8K/A filed on November 5th ( http://investor.shareholder.com/ovonics/secfiling.cfm?filingID=950123-09-57767 ) reveals: &quot;Management changed its estimates of the warranty liability [an increase of about $30 million] due to product performance issues discovered which were not fully covered under prior estimates. That information resulted in a significant increase in the warranty expense recorded in the six months ended June 30, 2009. Previously, the warranty estimate was based on historical warranty claims and warranty work performed. The current warranty estimate is based on an evaluation of certain aspects of the Company’s products and systems which indicated that increased failure rates may occur over the typical twenty-year warranty period arising from specialized adhesives used in the SIT manufacturing process and from certain product handling and installation methods. The Company continues to assess its estimate of warranty obligations each reporting period to determine if its accrual is appropriate.&quot;

And, yes, of course, the PV material underperforming on NARA&#039;s roof is Unisolar&#039;s (SIT simply glued that PV material to the membrane)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul and Leo:</p>
<p>The only PV material SIT have ever used, of course, was the Unisolar flexible PV material (also called PV laminates) ( see here: <a href="http://www.uni-solar.com/uploadedFiles/4212004.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.uni-solar.com/uploadedFiles/4212004.pdf</a> ) which SIT then glued to membranes, and yes SIT has used membranes for TPO/FPO and PVC roofs (<br />
<a href="http://www.solarintegrated.com/fileadmin/dateiablage/media/Solar_Integrated_Fact_Sheet.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.solarintegrated.com/fileadmin/dateiablage/media/Solar_Integrated_Fact_Sheet.pdf</a> ).</p>
<p>You may may find the recent disclosure about SIT&#8217;s product problems interesting. The 8K/A filed on November 5th ( <a href="http://investor.shareholder.com/ovonics/secfiling.cfm?filingID=950123-09-57767" rel="nofollow">http://investor.shareholder.com/ovonics/secfiling.cfm?filingID=950123-09-57767</a> ) reveals: &#8220;Management changed its estimates of the warranty liability [an increase of about $30 million] due to product performance issues discovered which were not fully covered under prior estimates. That information resulted in a significant increase in the warranty expense recorded in the six months ended June 30, 2009. Previously, the warranty estimate was based on historical warranty claims and warranty work performed. The current warranty estimate is based on an evaluation of certain aspects of the Company’s products and systems which indicated that increased failure rates may occur over the typical twenty-year warranty period arising from specialized adhesives used in the SIT manufacturing process and from certain product handling and installation methods. The Company continues to assess its estimate of warranty obligations each reporting period to determine if its accrual is appropriate.&#8221;</p>
<p>And, yes, of course, the PV material underperforming on NARA&#8217;s roof is Unisolar&#8217;s (SIT simply glued that PV material to the membrane)</p>
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		<title>By: Leo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Paul,

I agree/know that Suffolk never got the IRS job. But at the time when I wrote this article (mid June of &#039;09), they were on of the front runners to get it, and I was contacted by two different gentlemen from Suffolk in regards to a PVC roof / Solar PV installation, because they were interested in IB&#039;s SolarWise PV system (which uses Unisolar laminates). Later I heard that some other GC got the job. I don&#039;t know who it was and do not particularly care, because I was not interested in a job of such massive scale. We are just not capable to handle such a big job. 

As for SIT using or not using Unisolar pv laminates, I may be incorrect, so please enlighten me. It seems thought, that SIT&#039;s PV panels look awfully similar in terms of physical and electrical characteristics to those made by Unisolar. Once again it is my understanding that SIT purchased Unisolar panels and laminated them to a single ply roofing membrane (i was not aware that they also used &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.coolflatroof.com/pvc-vs-tpo.php&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TPO roofs&lt;/a&gt;). 

If I&#039;m wrong, who made the PV modules for SIT? 

Also please share the issues that Unisolar had with their panels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul,</p>
<p>I agree/know that Suffolk never got the IRS job. But at the time when I wrote this article (mid June of &#8217;09), they were on of the front runners to get it, and I was contacted by two different gentlemen from Suffolk in regards to a PVC roof / Solar PV installation, because they were interested in IB&#8217;s SolarWise PV system (which uses Unisolar laminates). Later I heard that some other GC got the job. I don&#8217;t know who it was and do not particularly care, because I was not interested in a job of such massive scale. We are just not capable to handle such a big job. </p>
<p>As for SIT using or not using Unisolar pv laminates, I may be incorrect, so please enlighten me. It seems thought, that SIT&#8217;s PV panels look awfully similar in terms of physical and electrical characteristics to those made by Unisolar. Once again it is my understanding that SIT purchased Unisolar panels and laminated them to a single ply roofing membrane (i was not aware that they also used <a href="http://www.coolflatroof.com/pvc-vs-tpo.php" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">TPO roofs</a>). </p>
<p>If I&#8217;m wrong, who made the PV modules for SIT? </p>
<p>Also please share the issues that Unisolar had with their panels.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leo,

Disagree with me all you want but, as you said, you DON&#039;T have all of the information. Solar Integrated Technologies (SIT) laminated their PV solar arrays to either PVC or TPO sheets which were then hot welded at the seams on the job not laminated as Unisolar is. The NARA building IS an SIT system just Google it. Unisolar purchased SIT a few months ago.
You are right that Unisolar has it&#039;s own issues and that is fact.

By the way, Suffolk is not the GC for the Andover IRS Service Center either so, they have no business looking for alternative systems as the GC has already been awarded to another firm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leo,</p>
<p>Disagree with me all you want but, as you said, you DON&#8217;T have all of the information. Solar Integrated Technologies (SIT) laminated their PV solar arrays to either PVC or TPO sheets which were then hot welded at the seams on the job not laminated as Unisolar is. The NARA building IS an SIT system just Google it. Unisolar purchased SIT a few months ago.<br />
You are right that Unisolar has it&#8217;s own issues and that is fact.</p>
<p>By the way, Suffolk is not the GC for the Andover IRS Service Center either so, they have no business looking for alternative systems as the GC has already been awarded to another firm.</p>
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		<title>By: Leo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 06:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, thanks for your comment.

I have to disagree with you however. Solar Integrated (SI) was using Unisolar Thin-film Solar PV modules, that were adhered to a pvc roofing membrane. SI had an &quot;exclusive&quot; contract with that PVC maker to market and sell the PVC roof with Unisolar PV modules. It is my understanding that later this PVC manufacturer began to market their own Roof-integrated PV systems with the same Unisolar panels, while still working with SI. (just to be fair, do not quote me on this info - I did not do any extensive research - it is just the way I know things from different sources).

In any case both Solar Integrated and this PVC manufacturer had certain problems with the whole system, and it is no longer &quot;welcomed&quot; in Massachusetts as well as most other places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, thanks for your comment.</p>
<p>I have to disagree with you however. Solar Integrated (SI) was using Unisolar Thin-film Solar PV modules, that were adhered to a pvc roofing membrane. SI had an &#8220;exclusive&#8221; contract with that PVC maker to market and sell the PVC roof with Unisolar PV modules. It is my understanding that later this PVC manufacturer began to market their own Roof-integrated PV systems with the same Unisolar panels, while still working with SI. (just to be fair, do not quote me on this info &#8211; I did not do any extensive research &#8211; it is just the way I know things from different sources).</p>
<p>In any case both Solar Integrated and this PVC manufacturer had certain problems with the whole system, and it is no longer &#8220;welcomed&#8221; in Massachusetts as well as most other places.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure where Ecdfan got his information from regarding the NARA building in Waltham because, the blog link references Unisolar even though this job is a Solar Integrated project. It is true that Unisolar purchased Solar Integrated recently. However, the blog was written before the purchase had taken place so, his information is misleading and inaccurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure where Ecdfan got his information from regarding the NARA building in Waltham because, the blog link references Unisolar even though this job is a Solar Integrated project. It is true that Unisolar purchased Solar Integrated recently. However, the blog was written before the purchase had taken place so, his information is misleading and inaccurate.</p>
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		<title>By: ECD Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ECD Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I don&#039;t know about the rumors you are hearing,  but Unisolar laminates, yes, the same PVL-136s you are trying to push to your customers, did ignite in February 2008 on the rooftop of the Long Beach Convention Center, shutting down that 750KW solar installation (it is still not generating any electricity).  Moreover, the roof-integrated system of NARA in Waltham, MA installed by your competitor, Solar Integrated, underperformed severely last year vs expectation.  Read more about the swindle that&#039;s going on here (sources and references provided, including link to the fire report):  http://ecdfan.blogspot.com/2009/05/unisolar-goes-to-washington.html

Of course, Open Energy (aka Applied Solar) had their own nice fire in Simi recently, no wonder they are filing for Ch 11.

Oh, and by the way, are Unisolar laminates IEC 61730 compliant?  

http://ecdfan.blogspot.com/2009/06/certification-of-safety.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I don&#8217;t know about the rumors you are hearing,  but Unisolar laminates, yes, the same PVL-136s you are trying to push to your customers, did ignite in February 2008 on the rooftop of the Long Beach Convention Center, shutting down that 750KW solar installation (it is still not generating any electricity).  Moreover, the roof-integrated system of NARA in Waltham, MA installed by your competitor, Solar Integrated, underperformed severely last year vs expectation.  Read more about the swindle that&#8217;s going on here (sources and references provided, including link to the fire report):  <a href="http://ecdfan.blogspot.com/2009/05/unisolar-goes-to-washington.html" rel="nofollow">http://ecdfan.blogspot.com/2009/05/unisolar-goes-to-washington.html</a></p>
<p>Of course, Open Energy (aka Applied Solar) had their own nice fire in Simi recently, no wonder they are filing for Ch 11.</p>
<p>Oh, and by the way, are Unisolar laminates IEC 61730 compliant?  </p>
<p><a href="http://ecdfan.blogspot.com/2009/06/certification-of-safety.html" rel="nofollow">http://ecdfan.blogspot.com/2009/06/certification-of-safety.html</a></p>
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